tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post831486604817952904..comments2023-11-03T07:43:09.433-05:00Comments on Dragondreamer's Lair: The Mojave Desert War Memorial CrossKristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10791317184998122691noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-40242317969391608172009-07-06T19:05:18.652-05:002009-07-06T19:05:18.652-05:00Just one last thought on this. Sometimes I think i...Just one last thought on this. Sometimes I think it's hard to viscerally understand what it's like to feel certain kinds of exclusion until you have actually been excluded or discriminated against simply for who you are. Being Jewish in NYC, I never really felt like a minority or that I was discriminated against because of my religion. Although I certainly know more than enough history to understand. When the MI fertility clinic told me they would not treat me because I was single, I understood the feeling of exclusion on an entirely different level. Visceral. Just saying.Dorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255190971670471758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-60880059391648676862009-07-06T05:58:08.978-05:002009-07-06T05:58:08.978-05:00I agree with Bean and Dora.
Signs on graves reflec...I agree with Bean and Dora.<br />Signs on graves reflect and honor the individual soldier who fought and died for his (her?) country and therefor should be crosses and stars of david etc. But a memorial that is there to honor all soldiers who died in battle, in my eyes should be something that all can relate to.<br /><br />And yes, feels kind of hypocrite saying what I just said when my own country's national symbols are directed towards one group alone, having others (who yes are minorities but still live here) feel alienated, not really belonging. I love my national hymn but do understand why it might/should be changed one day.Billyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02344488411103420236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-72051181152525943632009-07-06T00:22:53.739-05:002009-07-06T00:22:53.739-05:00While I totally think that religion should not be ...While I totally think that religion should not be allowed in religion or on government lands essentially... I do think memorials are exceptions. BUT I will clarify this with, ANY religious markings should be allowed on memorials. If they raised other memorials in honor of war veterans, I would love that, instead of only Christianity. This is still a long way coming though, since Wiccans who died in the service of our country weren't allowed to have Pentacles on their graves until 1998 when the gov't finally recognized them as the religion that they are and have been. I think that having the cross there is fine, if they would acknowledge religions as well; be it at that memorial, or by erecting other memorials.<br /><br />If that made any sense?AnotherDreamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11487881766884178761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-86088233665551917722009-07-05T23:06:50.731-05:002009-07-05T23:06:50.731-05:00How sad... why can't they just leave things be...How sad... why can't they just leave things be? If someone is offended by it don't freaking well go see it then!Soralishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10134991337688208295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-63411445277186749712009-07-05T21:24:04.903-05:002009-07-05T21:24:04.903-05:00it should not be torn down. I have no problem with...it should not be torn down. I have no problem with the cross, and evidently, its been up there this long and people are just starting to fuss about it. It's honoring the fallen, if we take it down, whats next "in G-d we trust" are they going to take that off the money use? Shame on the government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-49529690582409155822009-07-05T16:50:45.036-05:002009-07-05T16:50:45.036-05:00Typos.
Actually, I agree with Bean. I don't t...Typos.<br /><br />Actually, I agree with Bean. I don't think a cemetery is an accurate analogy. The crosses and stars of david mark the particular soldier's grave and honor THAT soldier's religion. A general memorial to soldiers should not be a Christian image. It excludes the non-Christian soldiers. A government sponsored memorial should not be exclusionary. Just my opinion.Dorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255190971670471758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-71344836521440118872009-07-05T16:48:21.349-05:002009-07-05T16:48:21.349-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255190971670471758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-35517045087242925692009-07-05T16:30:26.242-05:002009-07-05T16:30:26.242-05:00I disagree Bean. The first amendment specifically...I disagree Bean. The first amendment specifically says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Allowing a cross or a menorah or some other religious symbol on public land is not making a law about religion nor is it supporting and specific religion. If you go so far as this, how can we lawfully have a federal cemetery with crosses or stars of David marking the graves?Kristinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10791317184998122691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-26170918190071470332009-07-05T14:55:32.551-05:002009-07-05T14:55:32.551-05:00it isn't about "not believing" that ...it isn't about "not believing" that religious imagery should be on public land - it is a basic tenant of the constitution. Religion has no place in government, including a government tribute to soldiers who were not solely Christians, in a country full of people who are not solely Christians. They should replace the cross with a more appropriate tribute, not tear it down completely.Beanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16707114523868498199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-73928557416332567932009-07-05T14:54:42.219-05:002009-07-05T14:54:42.219-05:00That's terrible! I can't believe a judge w...That's terrible! I can't believe a judge would do that! It's so insulting!Beautiful Messhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02425541240465474148noreply@blogger.com