tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post6185329449878377700..comments2023-11-03T07:43:09.433-05:00Comments on Dragondreamer's Lair: God help us, they are at it again!Kristinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10791317184998122691noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-10337223532652038102009-04-03T16:44:00.000-05:002009-04-03T16:44:00.000-05:00Go Dora Go. I was trying to compose an answer but...Go Dora Go. I was trying to compose an answer but yours is so much better than anything I had come up with.Kristinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10791317184998122691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-384746571642628122009-04-03T16:34:00.000-05:002009-04-03T16:34:00.000-05:00HatCreekGal, just wondering, do you think people w...HatCreekGal, just wondering, do you think people who use egg donors or sperm donors should <I>"should undergo the same scrutiny as any other adoptive couple"</I>? Or is it only embryo donation you feel this way about?<BR/><BR/>Sorry, Kristin, but this is very personal for me.Dorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255190971670471758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-40399834371776974202009-04-03T16:28:00.000-05:002009-04-03T16:28:00.000-05:00HatCreekGal, I believe you are incorrect. Yes, con...HatCreekGal, I believe you are incorrect. Yes, contracts are written for embryo DONATION, but there is no contract law that really covers it. My understanding is that any contracts merely show the intent of both parties, but are are not truly covered by any existing law. Embryo donation is regulated in the US by the FDA under their tissue donation guidelines.<BR/><BR/><I>"Embryo adoption agencies facilitate adoptions for couples, heterosexual, gay, lesbian and singles as well as surrogacy"</I><BR/><BR/>REALLY??? Can you name any?<BR/><BR/><I>"Don't you think there is some value in ensuring that the parents who give birth to your children (who started as embryos, just like you did) should undergo the same scrutiny as any other adoptive couple? I do."</I><BR/><BR/>No. What this does is make donor embryos as cost prohibitive as donor egg or adoption. Which is simply out of reach of many people who would be fine parents. I am recipient of a directed embryo donation. My donor had many questions for me. We talked quite a bit before she decided to donate her embryos to me. We did not need an agency collecting fees, a home study or any of that.<BR/><BR/>With your way of thinking, you deny parenthood to many capable people. Of course it's your right to donate any way you choose. But, IMO, embryo adoption agencies are out to make money off of people's heartache and have a political agenda.<BR/><BR/><I>"give birth to your children"</I><BR/><BR/>?!?!?!?!?! If this is how you feel, you should absolutely NOT donate your embryos. People who have children with donor gametes DO NOT HAVE OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN!Dorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255190971670471758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-16879540304546076052009-04-03T14:56:00.000-05:002009-04-03T14:56:00.000-05:00Embryo adoption was established because people giv...Embryo adoption was established because people give birth to babies not to tissue. Also, your readers should understand the facts. Embryo donation and adoption is currently governed by contract law, and embryos are not treated the same as human tissue donation. Embryo adoption agencies facilitate adoptions for couples, heterosexual, gay, lesbian and singles as well as surrogacy [which of course gay men would have to use since they don't have a uterus]. I think that is pretty inclusive.<BR/><BR/>Don't you think there is some value in ensuring that the parents who give birth to your children (who started as embryos, just like you did) should undergo the same scrutiny as any other adoptive couple? I do.HatCreekGalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00468626393155679053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-85285311134493577312009-04-03T12:31:00.000-05:002009-04-03T12:31:00.000-05:00The fact that the GA legislation played shadow gam...The fact that the GA legislation played shadow games with excluding gays and lesbians from creating and using embryos was one of the major problems that I had with it, and the fact that the "revised" legislation did nothing to correct that still infuriates me. This is just the start of the wildfire spreading. :(JW Moxiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16865232770753428076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-25875577904367416962009-04-03T12:20:00.000-05:002009-04-03T12:20:00.000-05:00Awa.ke in the wo.rld has a new blog at http://beco...Awa.ke in the wo.rld has a new blog at http://becomingwhole.wordpress.com/. Explanations and updates will be forthcoming.awa.ke in the worl.dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-42110657271409203602009-04-03T11:38:00.000-05:002009-04-03T11:38:00.000-05:00I agree with you 100% Dora...I've amended the post...I agree with you 100% Dora...I've amended the post to show that the terminology is that which is used by the Tennessee legislature.Kristinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10791317184998122691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-68304946896716590902009-04-03T11:18:00.000-05:002009-04-03T11:18:00.000-05:00Thanks again, Octomom. One woman's and one doctor'...Thanks again, Octomom. One woman's and one doctor's stupidity, and we have this crap.<BR/><BR/>Great post. Although I wish you wouldn't use the term "embryo adoption." Right now, there is no such thing legally as "embryo adoption." Under US law it is considered tissue donation, same as egg or sperm donation. Egg and sperm donation are NEVER considered adoption. There are "embryo adoption agencies" which do the same kind of background checks, etc. as with adoption, but there is no law that covers that. Those organizations are mostly right wing, religious based groups with a political agenda. You can bet they exclude single women and same sex couples.<BR/><BR/>So, maybe I'm overly sensitive, but I think calling it "embryo adoption" gives the opposition more ammunition. IMO, the term "adoption" should only apply to a live child, not a bunch of cells that has the potential to become a child.Dorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16255190971670471758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8678310.post-44475679811814964142009-04-03T09:52:00.000-05:002009-04-03T09:52:00.000-05:00GGGRRR nothing like these assclowns and fucktards ...GGGRRR nothing like these assclowns and fucktards to make my blood boil on a perfectly fine Friday morning. Why to they have to hand in EVERYONE'S pockets? I don't get it. Why do they have to put restrictions on EVERYTHING?!Beautiful Messhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02425541240465474148noreply@blogger.com